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		<title>By: Simeon</title>
		<link>http://www.crumblycookie.net/2008/11/28/country-style-sourdough-bread/#comment-2148</link>
		<dc:creator>Simeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want a more pronounce sour flavour add yogurt or kefir into the dough.
 Let the bread ferment over night, this help the starter to leaven the dough and impart the sour taste you desire.
 Hint: When forming your bread be extremely careful not to deflate the dough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want a more pronounce sour flavour add yogurt or kefir into the dough.<br />
 Let the bread ferment over night, this help the starter to leaven the dough and impart the sour taste you desire.<br />
 Hint: When forming your bread be extremely careful not to deflate the dough.</p>
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		<title>By: bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.crumblycookie.net/2008/11/28/country-style-sourdough-bread/#comment-2160</link>
		<dc:creator>bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Athterath - I guess I sort of assumed that professionals could buy sourdough cultures, but I didn&#039;t realize that they were available to the average consumer. Thanks for the insight!

And thanks for the tips on keeping a culture alive.  I just got back from visiting my mom and I did try out some of her culture, with this bread recipe.  It had a lot more sourdough flavor than mine did.  She gave me some of her starter, but then I wasn&#039;t sure how to take care of it.  Plus, I still have my culture in the fridge, which I&#039;ve been ignoring for quite a while.  I think I&#039;m going to go feed it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athterath &#8211; I guess I sort of assumed that professionals could buy sourdough cultures, but I didn&#8217;t realize that they were available to the average consumer. Thanks for the insight!</p>
<p>And thanks for the tips on keeping a culture alive.  I just got back from visiting my mom and I did try out some of her culture, with this bread recipe.  It had a lot more sourdough flavor than mine did.  She gave me some of her starter, but then I wasn&#8217;t sure how to take care of it.  Plus, I still have my culture in the fridge, which I&#8217;ve been ignoring for quite a while.  I think I&#8217;m going to go feed it right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Athterath</title>
		<link>http://www.crumblycookie.net/2008/11/28/country-style-sourdough-bread/#comment-2159</link>
		<dc:creator>Athterath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just buy a bit of some established sourdough culture, if capturing your own wild yeast and lactobacillus seems like too much work?  One (a New England style, I think) is available in King Arthur Flour&#039;s baker&#039;s catalogue (kingarthurflour.com), and Sourdoughs International (sourdo.com) offers a wide selection, from different parts of the world and with different characteristics.

As for the labor-intensive process of keeping a culture alive. . .it really isn&#039;t.  A fully-established, healthy culture will go dormant if you leave it in the fridge, and remain--sluggish, but alive--for quite a while.  (I&#039;ve gone as much as three months, but there was VERY little activity by then.  I think I almost left it too long.  A month, however, is no problem.)  You have to revive it before you can use it, but that usually just means feeding it, allowing it plenty of time to consume that feeding, then feeding it again.  You needn&#039;t throw anything away, either, if you&#039;re willing to bake extra bread.  Just put what you take out into a bowl and feed it, too.  Vóila!  Double the culture, all ready to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just buy a bit of some established sourdough culture, if capturing your own wild yeast and lactobacillus seems like too much work?  One (a New England style, I think) is available in King Arthur Flour&#8217;s baker&#8217;s catalogue (kingarthurflour.com), and Sourdoughs International (sourdo.com) offers a wide selection, from different parts of the world and with different characteristics.</p>
<p>As for the labor-intensive process of keeping a culture alive. . .it really isn&#8217;t.  A fully-established, healthy culture will go dormant if you leave it in the fridge, and remain&#8211;sluggish, but alive&#8211;for quite a while.  (I&#8217;ve gone as much as three months, but there was VERY little activity by then.  I think I almost left it too long.  A month, however, is no problem.)  You have to revive it before you can use it, but that usually just means feeding it, allowing it plenty of time to consume that feeding, then feeding it again.  You needn&#8217;t throw anything away, either, if you&#8217;re willing to bake extra bread.  Just put what you take out into a bowl and feed it, too.  Vóila!  Double the culture, all ready to go.</p>
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		<title>By: nbmandel</title>
		<link>http://www.crumblycookie.net/2008/11/28/country-style-sourdough-bread/#comment-2158</link>
		<dc:creator>nbmandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Pastry&#039;s excellent, scientific and amusing baking blog has a series of posts on sourdough starter: http://joepastry.web.aplus.net/index.php?cat=85

and more on leavening techniques, including microbial http://joepastry.web.aplus.net/index.php?cat=48.  He says that the taste (sourness) of sourdough depends on the native yeasts and bacteria, and that San Franciscans happen to be very fortunate in both.  There, &quot;your starter will very likely culture a very different and interesting yeast by the name of Candida humilis (formerly called Candida milleri, formerly called Saccharomyces exiguus) which is notable in that it doesn&#039;t consume maltose, one of the primary products of enzymatic activity. And that leaves the door wide open to a unique bacterium that lives in the Bay Area and goes by the name of Lactobacillus sanfrancisco. L. sanfranciso, as you might expect, is a prodigious producer of acid (lactic acid as well as acetic acid, which is what gives vinegar its sour tang).&quot;

Check out Joe&#039;s blog, it&#039;s all fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Pastry&#8217;s excellent, scientific and amusing baking blog has a series of posts on sourdough starter: <a href="http://joepastry.web.aplus.net/index.php?cat=85" rel="nofollow">http://joepastry.web.aplus.net/index.php?cat=85</a></p>
<p>and more on leavening techniques, including microbial <a href="http://joepastry.web.aplus.net/index.php?cat=48" rel="nofollow">http://joepastry.web.aplus.net/index.php?cat=48</a>.  He says that the taste (sourness) of sourdough depends on the native yeasts and bacteria, and that San Franciscans happen to be very fortunate in both.  There, &#8220;your starter will very likely culture a very different and interesting yeast by the name of Candida humilis (formerly called Candida milleri, formerly called Saccharomyces exiguus) which is notable in that it doesn&#8217;t consume maltose, one of the primary products of enzymatic activity. And that leaves the door wide open to a unique bacterium that lives in the Bay Area and goes by the name of Lactobacillus sanfrancisco. L. sanfranciso, as you might expect, is a prodigious producer of acid (lactic acid as well as acetic acid, which is what gives vinegar its sour tang).&#8221;</p>
<p>Check out Joe&#8217;s blog, it&#8217;s all fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maxx - I do mix the hooch back in.  As far as the vitamin C, I guess I was thinking that it was mostly to jumpstart the process.  I might have added a little vinegar to increase the acidity; I can&#039;t remember anymore.  I wish I could have added it, but my husband had our supply of vitamin C powder at work with him.  :)

Thank you for the insight. Good luck with school!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maxx &#8211; I do mix the hooch back in.  As far as the vitamin C, I guess I was thinking that it was mostly to jumpstart the process.  I might have added a little vinegar to increase the acidity; I can&#8217;t remember anymore.  I wish I could have added it, but my husband had our supply of vitamin C powder at work with him.  <img src='http://www.crumblycookie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thank you for the insight. Good luck with school!</p>
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		<title>By: Maxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(cont&#039;d.)
I am not a chef as yet but start school in January 2009 have been on a path of self study since April 2007

In reference to the hooch I would suggest mixing it back in before taking out any to use to bake I beleive you will then get the &quot;sourdough&quot; taste you are looking for - I have a starter that is almost a year and a half old and I am getting the flavour-  and I mix the hooch in with the layer of flour when feeding the starter or else the water/flour ration will be offset</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(cont&#8217;d.)<br />
I am not a chef as yet but start school in January 2009 have been on a path of self study since April 2007</p>
<p>In reference to the hooch I would suggest mixing it back in before taking out any to use to bake I beleive you will then get the &#8220;sourdough&#8221; taste you are looking for &#8211; I have a starter that is almost a year and a half old and I am getting the flavour-  and I mix the hooch in with the layer of flour when feeding the starter or else the water/flour ration will be offset</p>
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		<title>By: Maxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the reason the C vitamin was needed to create what is known as a cofactor for enzymes to react int he mixture - this could accound for the lack of the &quot;sourdough&quot; flavour you were seeking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the reason the C vitamin was needed to create what is known as a cofactor for enzymes to react int he mixture &#8211; this could accound for the lack of the &#8220;sourdough&#8221; flavour you were seeking</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been keeping the proto dough for over a year.  It&#039;s still not very sour but the bread I make has a delicious complex flavor now.  I notice that I get a better flavor if I can work out a slow rise using it (toss the bread dough in the refrigerator for a couple of days).

You can feed the sourdough without tossing any of it.  I keep mine in the fridge and feed it a half cup flour and a half cup water to get it active when I need to bake.  I usually use what I need, feed it again and then pop it into cold storage after it has a chance to really feed on that last feeding.

Some people mix in the &quot;hooch&quot; that develops when the starter sits.  I usually pour mine off when it is feeding time.  I&#039;m not sure if that has any effect on the flavor or not.  If you mix in the hooch you might get a more sour flavor?  I hear that the flavor comes from bacteria (lactobacillis) not the yeast.

Great country bread that you made!  It looks beautiful with all of the holes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been keeping the proto dough for over a year.  It&#8217;s still not very sour but the bread I make has a delicious complex flavor now.  I notice that I get a better flavor if I can work out a slow rise using it (toss the bread dough in the refrigerator for a couple of days).</p>
<p>You can feed the sourdough without tossing any of it.  I keep mine in the fridge and feed it a half cup flour and a half cup water to get it active when I need to bake.  I usually use what I need, feed it again and then pop it into cold storage after it has a chance to really feed on that last feeding.</p>
<p>Some people mix in the &#8220;hooch&#8221; that develops when the starter sits.  I usually pour mine off when it is feeding time.  I&#8217;m not sure if that has any effect on the flavor or not.  If you mix in the hooch you might get a more sour flavor?  I hear that the flavor comes from bacteria (lactobacillis) not the yeast.</p>
<p>Great country bread that you made!  It looks beautiful with all of the holes!</p>
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		<title>By: gaga</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love sourdough!  I can&#039;t believe you made your own, it looks great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love sourdough!  I can&#8217;t believe you made your own, it looks great!</p>
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		<title>By: Miri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also really love that sour taste in sourdough breads, and am feeling not yet ready for the commitment of growing my own. Your bread looks marvelous, sour or not. The photos are so tempting that I&#039;m gonna have to give it a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also really love that sour taste in sourdough breads, and am feeling not yet ready for the commitment of growing my own. Your bread looks marvelous, sour or not. The photos are so tempting that I&#8217;m gonna have to give it a try.</p>
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